It’s a long one, too.

BOWEN:

My question to you, Ted, you and I, I think we would both agree that there are people who know plenty about the energy system in Australia and you and I have learnt a lot but there are plenty of people who have devoted their lives to the economics of the energy system, whether that is the CSIRO, the people who keep our lights on at AEMO or even people like will go to promote nuclear overseas potatoes not the right answer for Australia. All the executive director of the International Energy Agency who says nuclear hazard is in the world but not in Australia all of them agree that renewable energy backed by gas and arteries is the cheapest option for Australia’s unique reads and our opportunities. Nuclear is too expensive. My question is why do you know better? If you are in government would you only talk to people you agree with and what will you do with the experts to tell you that you are wrong?

O’BRIEN:

What I would do is different from how you have managed the energy system is I would be led by the engineering and the economics approach you’ve taken. We would actually do the work and do the economics. We wouldn’t have Peter Dutton out there trying to say we want to have an industrial revolution, we would have Angus Taylor as a treasurer saying he is obsessed with a particular technology, and I can assure you, unlike you, I wouldn’t be saying I’m making decisions on my gut. In terms of who knows best, there are a lot of people who know a lot of things about energy and those who are prepared to do the work to the sums are the ones to whom we listen. A total system cost analysis has been done comparing Labor’s plan to the Coalition’s plan. That comparison shows the Coalition’s plan is 44% cheaper than Labor’s plan. When it comes to what we should look at and consider, you see the engineering and the economics. When it comes to Chris’s comments, you talk about why do you know better? Well, the conclusion Frontier Economics reached on looking at nuclear working with renewable and gas being 44% cheaper, that is comparable to the United States Department of Energy, 37% put nuclear end. When I sat down with a Japanese department, looking at their details, they say nuclear in the mix brings prices down. Ontario Canada brings prices down. What is it that Anthony Albanese and you know that the United States doesn’t know, Canada doesn’t know, Japan doesn’t know, the United Arab Emirates doesn’t know, India, China, seriously. We have 32 countries in the world today using nuclear energy, another 50 looking at adopting it for the very first time, why? It can work in a complementary way with renewables and with gas and get prices down.